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Kring: if you want me to stop watching your show, just ask me to nicely. 
12th-Nov-2007 09:02 pm
Detail of 'Yuuwaku' by Audrey Kawasaki
Correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't the commercials for tonight's episode list a bunch of questions about last season that it promised would be answered...and one of those questions was "What happened to Sylar after he was stabbed in Kirby Plaza"?  Was I hallucinating that?  Even though I'm pretty sure I heard that commercial multiple times?  
13th-Nov-2007 03:21 am (UTC)
Nope, you weren't hallucinating. Not one little bit.

I'm irate at this moment in time. Simply irate.
13th-Nov-2007 03:26 am (UTC)
Kring's very lucky that I am heavily medicated and my throat is raw from this cold, or I would be screaming so loudly he'd be quaking and asking for help from the witness protection people.

I had things I was going to try to do tonight, but I'm now going to bed before I just start ranting incoherently.

Seriously. If NBC wants me to start watching Monday Night Football instead of this show, all they need to do is ask.
13th-Nov-2007 03:27 am (UTC)

I'm glad I'm not the only one! Everyone on my flist is all SQUEE!! OUR SHOW IS BACK!! And I'm just like WTF? Where?? What did I miss???
13th-Nov-2007 03:39 am (UTC)
Maybe I was just too into hearing about Sylar. But someone said in the Heroes Meet Market at TWoP today "eh, tonight is nothing new". Initially I disagreed, but about 8:30, I thought..."that's how I feel. Almost everything I'm seeing is stuff I guessed or stuff I picked up from NBC-approved promos." Even the anticipation that at SOME POINT I was going to see Sylar didn't make the rest of the ep exciting...then I realized it was 8:58 and I got PISSED OFF.

The DL storyline was nice except, much like "why did Sylar just stand and let Hiro run him through?" I find myself asking "DL saw the guy had a gun and he was able to phase through the punch earlier, why didn't he let the bullet phase through?"

And just how stupid is the damn Company if they leave Peter and Adam right next to each other, when Adam has 400 years of experience to use to plot against them? I now totally believe they'd be incompetent enough to put Sylar in a shack in the jungle with only Candice to guard him and no real medical facilities.

I continue to find Peter pathetic because he always freaking hides from everything. Elle chews more scenery than Shatner. I'm so fucking done with the twins, they had better both be gone if Volume 3 gets on the air. Angela rocked and was the only character who really made me feel emotion tonight (both good and bad), and I want to know more about her and the Haitian, and I'm getting interested in Adam's motives, and I'm starting to see why people enjoy Bob, but...this is still so, so, so far below last season. I'm starting to think they deliberately made Fight or Flight suck so that these eps would look better in comparison. Seriously. The only reason I can come up with for squeeing is if you're a shirtless Peter fan.

Here. I've got some virtual whiskey. Let's both have a shot.
13th-Nov-2007 03:48 am (UTC)
Seriously, Rick just said it best on his way upstairs (he is livid) - he said we didn't get any answers tonight. All we got was set-up for the Peter storyline. That's it. And yeah, DL just standing there made me shake my head too. Total cop out.

I still don't get why everyone likes Bob because he is far too all-knowing and god-like. I thought he is just supposed to make gold??? His whole appearing at the exact time, and exact place, that Peter appeared with Nathan just left me going WTF from beginning to end. That ruined the ep for me right there, and that was only a few minutes in!!

And poor Devin sat there the whole time going "I hate Elle. I hate her. Why can't she die? I don't like her. Do we really have to keep watching her??"

Angela was awesome, and I do want to know more about the Haitian. But you know what?? I'm not holding my breath.

Kring needs to learn that he doesn't have the talent it takes to tell *everyone's* story, so he needs to cut back and tell the ones that matter, or stop now.

I seriously want Sylar dead at this point. That way I don't have to bother being invested in him for nothing. Gah.

*takes a shot of virtual whiskey*

At least the pics of ZQ's Spock are nice. :/
13th-Nov-2007 03:59 am (UTC)
Seriously, Rick just said it best on his way upstairs (he is livid) - he said we didn't get any answers tonight.

Maybe I am just talking myself into getting more pissed off, but...he's right. I wish I had the commercial so that I could check off the questions. I remember one was "Who is Elle?" and...I still don't know. She said "Daddy" on the phone, but her speech about living there since she was 9 almost made it sound like the Company took her away from her family. So all I know is she's an annoying overacting bitch who grew up in the Company's care. I knew the first from her initial appearance, and I knew the second because TPTB told us that in an interview a while back. I mean, it filled in some gaps in what we know, but I have so many other questions about what happened. How in hell did Parkman manage to get custody of Molly? How did Bennet manage to keep hold of enough resources to move his family? Why was the Haitian working with Bob, considering Thompson knew he'd "gone rogue" and taken off with Claire in "Company Man" last season? And even filling in Peter's storyline...it didn't really advance his story any.

During the episode, I was thinking, "This is okay." But the more I think, the more irritated I get. Yeah, I should definitely take more meds and go to bed. Honestly, I know that my liking for this show was seriously dragged down by eps 2-05 and 2-06, but...Kring really believes that this is one of the best episodes they've ever filmed? Seriously? He honestly thinks that this was better than "Landslide"? That this was better than "Company Man"?

Edited at 2007-11-13 04:00 am (UTC)
13th-Nov-2007 03:41 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I heard it, too. But we kind of know. Candice/Michelle/Betty took him and the Company fixed him up, and then he escaped.
13th-Nov-2007 03:42 am (UTC)
I hate the twins even more and Kring sucks so much ass.
13th-Nov-2007 04:30 am (UTC)
Also, it looks like next week the Saya stuff will be going again, if there is a sex scene I am so done after this stunt. I wipe my hands of this show until the new people die in episode 11.
13th-Nov-2007 04:43 am (UTC)
You know what? I just realized I don't even remember if there was a preview for next week at the end of this episode. I basically just tuned out the last 30 seconds.

Another reason a Sylar-Maya sex scene would bother me is that, once again, they've stressed Maya's religious tendencies, plus, Maya made a big deal about how Alejandro had only known his bride for four months. So if Little Miss I Ran And Hid With The Nuns suddenly peels off her panties for a guy she's known for less than a week, I'll be utterly disgusted with BOTH of them.

I really should not have prayed for Candice's death over the summer. I could have enjoyed watching Sylar mess with her, because we knew she had done horrible things to other people.
13th-Nov-2007 04:39 am (UTC)
No, you weren't hallucinating. I am still seething about that. And the lack of Sylar wasn't the only thing wrong with this episode.

The promo department needs a serious talking to. First it was the ridiculous BOX shit and now we're getting lied to.

I really hope that what you said on aelora's post is true, about TPTB thinking of something new for Sylar and then taking out his parts from 4MA. I would also be a lot happier if this means they're taking out more Saya scenes as well.
13th-Nov-2007 04:47 am (UTC)
I really hope that what you said on aelora's post is true
Despite the fact that I complain a lot, a piece of me DOES always try to look for a bright side. And I did come up with that thought. But again...they should have taken that line out of the commercial if they decided to remove him last-minute.

I hate to be conspiracy-theorist, but I do increasingly wonder if TPTB just plain decided over the summer that they made a mistake in keeping Sylar alive and are trying to kill off his fanbase. (And yes, "What's in the box" was the lamest. Fucking. Tagline. EVER.)
13th-Nov-2007 05:01 am (UTC)
Yeah, I was gonna say that they could have taken that line out of the promo but if you end up correct, then I'll just chalk it up to laziness or miscommunication.

I do increasingly wonder if TPTB just plain decided over the summer that they made a mistake in keeping Sylar alive and are trying to kill off his fanbase.
I KNOW! It annoys me because Zach's a regular and he's in even less scenes than he was last season. I thought we were going to see more of him but now that he's attached to the twins' storyline, one of the WORST storylines of the season, a lot more people are calling for his death. I wish he'd have gone it alone or even with Candice.... sigh. I really hope they all end up serving some kind of purpose soon, because I don't want him to die just yet.
13th-Nov-2007 05:31 am (UTC)
I don't WANT Sylar dead, but...at the same time, I am utterly lost as to why he's on the show any more. I liked the story in his first episode this season, was somewhat curious the second, and have been bored as shit ever since. And...let's see, he was in episodes 3, 4, and 5. Was he in 6? See? That's how bad his story has been...I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHICH EPISODES HE'S BEEN IN. A CHARACTER WHO LAST SEASON WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TV CHARACTERS EVER.

Anyway...at most, he's been in only half of the episodes, when they knew all along they would lose ZQ for part of the season. Why would you say "We were going to kill this character off but he was so popular we kept him alive," but then not do anything interesting with him? Unless you thought the fangirls were so mindless that as long as you stuck him on screen every other week in a black wifebeater, they'd all tune in and buy tons of merchandise?

At this point, even if they claimed that they've been saving up the best parts of Sylar's story for last, I wouldn't believe them.

What really sucks me into a show is connecting with/identifying with a character. In this show, it's been Sylar, with Mohinder second (and Sylar has been so flat to me this season that Mohinder's getting closer and closer to #1 all the time despite his many stupid decisions). Tonight was like my worst nightmare: no Sylar, no Mohinder, lots of characters I either don't care about or actively dislike. People accused me of "being shallow" for saying that if Sylar and Mo were gone, I would no longer watch. But...sorry. They're the characters I connected with, and if they're ruined/gone, I'm not going to be able to connect with the show any more.

I just...seriously, I cannot believe Kring said he believes that this is one of the best episodes they've ever done. That makes my attitude about it even worse. I just suddenly have Bill McNeil in my head saying, "You puked in the punchbowl that we all share and expect us to believe it's alphabet soup?" And it makes me highly suspicious of the quality of the next 3 eps, since he claimed they're the best too.
13th-Nov-2007 06:23 am (UTC)
I totally agree with your entire first paragraph. He WAS in Episode 6, but I had to rack my brain to remember that he was. He wasn't in Fight or Flight though... and that's the thing. His plotline is so unstructured and just seems like it was slapped together so lazily to me (because of Missy's departure? I really don't want to believe that that's the reason, but it kind of makes sense to me), it started out to be VERY promising, but it just fell flat and we don't have much time left to see where he's going. Maybe if he was actually IN this episode instead of the twins, we'd get to see more of a purpose to his storyline, like if Bob wanted to experiment the drugs on him, and that's why he was saved.

I always get uncomfortable everytime someone brings up the "fanservice" card, because... they're kind of right. Last season Sylar was kicking ass AND looking hot, this time around he's on a never-ending Roadtrip and biding his time until he gets his powers back. I really wonder if the writers were banking on his chemistry with Dania and his wifebeater to be the saving grace of the storyline. It's really not that different than Peter being shirtless in every scene, and having a static storyline UNTIL NOW. So I just hope that Sylar follows suit.

To me, this show is rooted in characters, which is what I don't get about Kring. He says that the plot matters more, but it seems to me the fans have become more invested in the characters more than the plot. I mean, if every single character was so boring and annoying, there would be a mass exodus of fans because the retread of last year's storyline is so frickin obvious. The Virus is the plot, but it effects the characters so... Kring's outlook on the show makes no sense to me. He's a very creative guy and I love him for starting Heroes, but he's seriously misguided in a lot of different aspects of it.

And everyone's got their characters they don't want to get killed off; I don't see it as being shallow at all. I'm right there with you about Mohinder and Sylar. I can see Sylar dying sometime down the road (hopefully later, if things pick up for him now), but Mohinder is one of the most central characters, and I'd really be done with the show if he ended up dying. It'd be like Claire or Peter dying. So those fans can be rest assured that their favorites will always be around, but it's sad that mine have been reduced to their current states, and that they could both end up on the chopping block. I've taken a liking to Nathan, and Monica has a lot of potential, but they'll never replace Sylar or Mohinder in my eyes.

What pisses me off about this show so much is the false information we've been given. "The showdown at Kirby Plaza will be INCREDIBLE!" "S2 is amazing", confimation that some characters WILL die, and then having only one (D.L.) actually kick the bucket from the finale. And finally the Sylar letdown. They just hype shit up so much that it's embarrassing when they don't actually deliver. Which is why I'm also wary about the way things are going to go down in the next few eps.

"You puked in the punchbowl that we all share and expect us to believe it's alphabet soup?"
Such a fitting quote right now!
13th-Nov-2007 02:47 pm (UTC)
'I really wonder if the writers were banking on his chemistry with Dania and his wifebeater to be the saving grace of the storyline'

Very true, I just checked Beeman's blog and the response their to the twins was overwhelmingly negative as well. This might teach them that putting two hot people together does not equal chemistry, especially when one character is a serial killer and the other is an ill-conceived character with lame powers. I'm still baffled how they thought this would work.
13th-Nov-2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
I'd like to know when they decided to bring Sylar and the twins together, since they originally intended Sylar to spend several episodes with Candice. (And don't get me started on how, if the Sylar-Candice storyline was good, it was stupid to just throw it all out when Candice projects illusions.) If they originally wanted Sylar to meet up with them later than he did, that would explain why the twins' storyline has been so boring: maybe they didn't originally plan to put them in every episode, then changes to Sylar's plot meant they had to, so they just made them run and cry, run and cry, run and cry.

At this point I'm praying Sylar kills them both because I'm just so tired of listening to them whine.
13th-Nov-2007 04:41 am (UTC)
I WAS PISSED TOO! You are not alone!
13th-Nov-2007 04:53 am (UTC)
I wasn't overly impressed with this episode anyway. But when I got to the end and realized NO SYLAR EVEN THOUGH THEY PROMISED, my attitude went poisonous.

I really can't believe Tim Kring seriously said this is one of the best episodes they've ever made. Even if I was into Shirtless!Peter, I still would have been like...wow, the twins were always boring and Elle was always annoying! Thanks oh so much for showing me that again, instead of telling me why the Haitian is still working for the Company or how Bennet managed to get his hands on enough money to relocate his family or...eh, I'm just going to shut up and save it for a full post after I've gotten in a better mood.
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