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18th-Dec-2007 01:21 pm
Sylar S2 promo pic
I should be working instead of reading things online, but for the first time in weeks, I actually read the main page at TWoP.  (And yes, I do hate the new design so much that I now pay absolutely no attention to the main page and go directly to the forums.  If "fewer page views" was the intent of that redesign, they've certainly succeeded with me.  But I digress.)  

They've got a photo gallery article up about changes they'd like to see in their favorite shows after the writer's strike ends.  And although most of the photo galleries they've done have left me 'meh', I clicked on this one.  And what they had to say about Heroes absolutely killed me.  The original article is here, but in case the link changes for some reason or you're on a slow connection and don't want to download photos, here is the text:

Heroes: Stinko De Maya

I won't belabor the points we've all been making for months, because Tim Kring seems to have gotten the memo -- too many characters, not enough plot movement -- but Sylar's abrupt shooting of Maya in response to yet more breathy crying was one of the season's highlights. Aaaaaand then stupid Mohinder revived her. Why? The black goop had potential, which got squandered over weeks and weeks of fleeing, pouty trembling, and repetitive "we must find Dr. Suresh!" subtitling, and still we know nothing about the power, where it comes from, when Maya got it...nothing except that its carrier is lethally annoying. It's not working; the show had no problem killing off the prior VP of Pretty-Girl Wet Blanketry, Simone; when the show returns, Maya had better be cured, killed, or otherwise kicked to the curb within a few episodes. Showrunners don't have to heed every fan whim, of course, but it's already clear after a season and a half that Kring & Ko. tend to have a Shyamalanitis problem when it comes to executing on extended set-ups; if they can't fix it, viewers will give up on the show.

Comments 
18th-Dec-2007 07:38 pm (UTC)
Haha, that is awesome. I made a bet with my brother who can't even stand to be in the room when she is on screen that when she comes back it's just to fulfil her contract and then adios crying ebola girl with the stupid bovine expression. I try so hard to like her and then I rewatch an ep with her and she makes me so mad.
18th-Dec-2007 07:46 pm (UTC)
I know. The writer of this was completely right about how wasted the character was. I actually was pretty interested in her in the first episode. But by the third one, I went, "Wait a minute...she does exactly the same stupid thing every episode, she just does it in a different location. BORED NOW." And then when she explicitly trusted Sylar from the instant she met him, even though she'd just a few days earlier met strangers who beat up her brother, left him stranded in the jungle and hauled her off obviously intending to rape her. That's when I started hating her. And then in 4MA, we find out she was savvy enough to distrust Alejandro's bride and pointed out that he'd only known her a few months...but now she's willing to freaking abandon her brother in a foreign country to go off with a guy she met only a week ago who's admitted he killed his own mother? I don't know if "hypocritical dumbass" was what they were going for with the character, but that's what came through.
18th-Dec-2007 07:58 pm (UTC)
I know I was really excited to hear about Dania joining the cast because of her previous roles and she started out pretty interesting. Then she met Sylar and they lobotomized her. Gah, I hate the whole ' poor, naive and stupid foreign' girl gets duped my obviously smarter and handsome white guy who turns out to be her saviour and all that bull shit. It makes me so angry because Dania is so sweet and clearly capable of pulling off an interesting character and they gave me bovine expressions of stupidity and other random lameness of epic proportions instead. The writers owe her a huge apology, I would be so pissed.
19th-Dec-2007 12:07 am (UTC)
Seriously, the only good thing about Season 2 was Bob. And maybe Adam. But mostly Bob.

I just wish it were more Company-centric. Remember when Claude found out Peter was an empath, and he was like, "Oh. You're one of those," and Peter was like, "one of those?" And Claude kind of hinted darkly that there were other empaths and they were Bad News? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THAT THREAD??? Seriously! Aggh.

I've said it before, and I've said it again: Sylar should have woke his ass up in the middle of an OWI!cell. Full circle, bitches. That would have been A LOT more interesting and it would have tied his arc in with everybody else's. I mean, I was CRINGING whenever Sylar's arc was onscreen, and that shouldn't be the case. I should be sitting at the edge of my seat, not going, "oh. And they're driving, now." :/

/rant.
19th-Dec-2007 12:23 am (UTC)
I mean, I was CRINGING whenever Sylar's arc was onscreen, and that shouldn't be the case.

I had the exact same reaction with several scenes.

It just bugs me because the fact that I was intrigued by them in the first episode means that the character had potential. But it's too late for her now. Which is sad; I hear Dania is by all accounts sweet. But I want Maya the hell off my TV screen--not least because I don't want to hear YET MORE CRYING about ALEJANDROOOOOOOO being dead and what a fool she was to trust Sylar. Plus, considering how quickly she decided Gabriel was her angel, I'm afraid she's going to immediately decide that Mohinder is her new angel, and I don't want her contaminating my second-favorite-character's storyline.

IMO, they need to get rid of Maya because there just is no way to salvage her at this point. She's been such a consistent dunderhead that I will not be able to accept a plot where she suddenly turns out to have a brain. (And if she does turn out to have a brain, that would feel like the writers were implying that Women In Wuv Are Such Idiots, and I will want to smack them.) I've read a couple of arguments for why Maya could be a viable character, but at the end of the day, I still feel that Maya only served two purposes: (1) she was a fangirl surrogate, making it easier for fangirls to imagine snogging Sylar; and (2) the writers needed some way to get Sylar from his first scene in Mexico to his final scene in Mohinder's lab, which would be difficult since he's powerless, penniless and ill, so he needed help which Maya provided. She's fulfilled those purposes. Boringly. She can go away now.

I miss Alejandro, though. I really hope Sylar turns out to have can-openered his body, because I thought his ability could potentially be developed into a lot of different things.
19th-Dec-2007 12:27 am (UTC)
Maya's gonna hook up with Mohinder. I can feel it. SIGH.



Edited at 2007-12-19 12:29 am (UTC)
19th-Dec-2007 12:41 am (UTC)
I keep praying that since people in general didn't care for the romances this season, they'll stay away from it for the most part. I wouldn't mind romance if it felt believable. I could kind of buy Peter and Caitlin, just because Peter is so emo that I could see him falling head over heels for the first girl who made him feel good, but still, it felt waaaaay too sudden. Sylar and Maya felt like a puppy dog following around someone who's planning on tying their leash to the car bumper and driving down the road at 60 MPH. And West was so freaking creepy and stalkery, I just wanted to scream at Claire to get away from him even more than I wanted to scream at Maya to get away from Sylar. So...Mohinder and Maya...NO. If they set Mohinder up in a romance, it's got to be someone who's his intellectual match, because with all the stuff he manages to get himself tangled in, he doesn't have time to take care of someone else.

Edited at 2007-12-19 12:50 am (UTC)
19th-Dec-2007 12:55 am (UTC)
And lets not forget Hiro/Yaiko. That one annoyed the hell out of me too, because she was just The Reason Why Adam Fell, or whatever.

If they set Mohinder up in a romance, it's got to be someone who's his intellectual match.

Good god, then TPTB will set Mohinder up with PhD!Sue. Urgh.

The only "romance" I want to see is Bennet/Sandra. That's another thing I'm not too happy about....they always seemed so strong, especially in the series premiere. Why Sandra just kind of coldly shrugs Bennet off AFTER HE CAME BACK TO LIFE totally irked me. (I mean okay, he betrayed her trust, blah blah blah. But dude. HE DIED. AND THE MAJICK BLOOD SAVED HIM. Aggh).
19th-Dec-2007 02:52 am (UTC)
In a way, I did kind of like their reaction, just because I thought we were going to have to sit through a schmoopy slow-motion sequence of hugging. And I think he told them just before we cut into that scene, that he can't stay with them, he's got to go back to the Company and be Bob's bitch. I suspected that they shot the entire scene of him telling them, and then in editing decided to just use the last half of it - it did get me a lot more emotionally involved when I thought, "WTF, why are they being so cold with him?" than I would have otherwise.

But yeah, I want to see more Bennet/Sandra too. I started liking her a lot last season after the episode where Bennet is about to go off after Claire in a panic and Sandra gives him the note he wrote for himself and calms him down.

Also: PhD!Sue??? HA! Mohinder totally needs to date Hermione Granger.

Edited at 2007-12-19 02:56 am (UTC)
19th-Dec-2007 01:01 am (UTC)
Sylar and Maya felt like a puppy dog following around someone who's planning on tying their leash to the car bumper and driving down the road at 60 MPH.

Well thank you for that image- it'll make watching those episodes MUCH MORE FUN.
19th-Dec-2007 02:54 am (UTC)
I seem to be full of eeeeeeevil today...
19th-Dec-2007 03:02 pm (UTC)
I thought the show kind of went out of their way to show how Mohinder was creeped out by Maya and Kring promised no more lame romances so he better to stick to it!!
19th-Dec-2007 05:22 am (UTC)
Ugh, I won't lie when I say i'm quitting this show if that happens.
They are suppose to develop her, not push her off on to another guy. This is going to get people to hate her even more.
19th-Dec-2007 04:59 am (UTC)
It just bugs me because the fact that I was intrigued by them in the first episode means that the character had potential. But it's too late for her now. Which is sad; I hear Dania is by all accounts sweet. But I want Maya the hell off my TV screen--not least because I don't want to hear YET MORE CRYING about ALEJANDROOOOOOOO being dead and what a fool she was to trust Sylar. Plus, considering how quickly she decided Gabriel was her angel, I'm afraid she's going to immediately decide that Mohinder is her new angel, and I don't want her contaminating my second-favorite-character's storyline.

WORD! Dania is a really nice and all, but I cannot stand Maya. I want her off my screen, and the last thing I want is a Maya/Mohinder hookup, but I'm really worried that it's going to happen. I don't mind Mohinder getting a love interest (well, maybe I sorta do, given this show's track record when it comes to romance... I'd much rather he just get a friend), but I don't see how he could ever have a believable relationship with Maya... they're just not compatible. I don't see how they'd have anything to talk about. She needs to be paired up with someone who makes her seem less stupid and dependent, and brings out the better qualities in her (if she has any), and Mohinder isn't that person, seeing as he's always going to be the smart doctor who saved her, and she's always going to be the inferior, damsel in distress. They're not equals.

This is basically the same problem that I have with Sylar/Maya. It's not just the "ick" factor -- what with him being a brain-stealing serial killer, and her being the naive girl that he tricked into following him -- even outside of that... if they had met under different circumstances, and their relationship wasn't simply based on him using and manipulating her.. I still don't see how they could ever have any kind of satisfying relationship. They have zero things in common (well, other than killing people... but the circumstances are vastly different), they'd have nothing to talk about. I doubt that she's the kind of person who could carry the sort of discussions that Sylar likes to have (just like with Mohinder, she's hardly his intellectual match), and not to mention the language barrier -- they would only be able to talk about surfacey things.

Plus, if Sylar was to be paired up with a character (in any way, I don't just mean this in the romantic sense), it would have to be someone who can hold their own next to him. Sylar is just such a powerful character, that if he's paired with someone who's as weak as Maya, it automatically becomes squicky, because of the huge power imbalance. It's very interesting, because last season we saw him "paired up" with two different characters... Bennet and Mohinder, neither of whom has any abilities, and yet watching him interact with them was fascinating, because they were both cunning enough to be able to match him on a mental level. Maya, on the other hand, could kill Sylar in an instant, and even though he had no abilities this season, he still clearly had all the power in that relationship. It simply doesn't work.

Umm.. yeah, I don't know what the point of that entire ramble was, or why I posted it in your LJ. I just started typing and then this comment took on a life of it's own. This happens to me a lot.

Also? WORD on Alejandro. What a waste. Like... what was the point of his ability if Maya could just stop the black goo by herself all along? And now his ability is just gone... it makes no sense. It's as if his entire existence on the show was meaningless.
19th-Dec-2007 05:31 am (UTC)
Mental equality is my biggest issue with characters. I know that in the real world, intelligent successful men often marry bimbos with big chests...but I don't want to watch that in my entertainment. I really don't think Maya is the intellectual equal of either Sylar or Mohinder, and I don't even get the sense that she wants to be. I've jokingly said that Maya would make Parkman a good pregnant wife, but I'm increasingly convinced that that's what they should do with her. (I'm influenced in that by my Hispanic BFF, who hates Maya but does keep telling me that even in the US, too many Hispanic families raise their daughters to want nothing more than to find a man and raise babies with him, so she can't fault Maya for wanting to get naked with Sylar at any cost.)

OK, now I'm rambling. Point is, if either Sylar or Mohinder had a relationship, it would need to be someone who is just as intelligent as they are. And, you know, I talk about the Mylar, but what makes Sylar and Mohinder so fascinating together is that they are each other's mental equals! I love the fact that Mohinder is the only person capable of outfoxing Sylar, even though he doesn't have an ability or even a weapon. (And although Sylar has kind of pwned Bennet, you're right: Bennet is probably the next-most-interesting adversary for him, and Bennet's powerless too.) In fact, in "Powerless" Mo was even more vulnerable than before because Sylar could see that Molly would be a weak spot for Mo, and yet Mo was still able to come out on top! I would much rather see one episode of a fully-clothed Sylar matching wits with Mohinder, than three episodes of shirtless wet Sylar effortlessly manipulating an idiot.

WORD on Alejandro. What a waste. Like... what was the point of his ability if Maya could just stop the black goo by herself all along?
Oh, that irritated me SO BADLY. All Gab-reee-ELLL had to do was provoke her and then gasp that she was killing him, and she magically figured out how to stop the black tears?!?! That was an even bigger cop-out than the Nightmare Man! Ugh! I need to shut up now, before I type a 3-page rant.
19th-Dec-2007 03:35 am (UTC)
BIGGEST WORD EVER!
19th-Dec-2007 04:32 am (UTC)
I laughed so hard at this. Really...I'm sure Dania Ramirez is a very nice person, and worked hard at the role....but I FRAKKING HATE MAYA AND I WANT HER TO DIE. I was 100% spoiled for Sylar killing her, and yet I still bounced up and down in my seat and screamed with delight when it happened. Thank God Mohinder only saved her because Sylar forced him to, to test the MAJICKAL HEALING BLOOD.
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