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14th-May-2008 10:22 pm
Moonlight - Beth
obsessed fangirl [uhb-sest fan-gurl] noun. Someone who actually calls the CW to leave a message on their comment line begging them to pick up Moonlight now that CBS has foolishly cancelled it.

This was totally not me, by the way. It was, um, one of my friends who did this. Yeah.

(It's a sobering moment when you realize that you honestly don't care whether you ever own S2 of Heroes on DVD...but you tell multiple people that TPTB had damn well better put out DVDs for the sadly-abbreviated single season of Moonlight.  Dammit, the show was supposed to suck.  Instead, it was one of the best things about this TV season.  I blame Jason Dohring.)

(ETA: Also?  When did I become a new-school Doctor Who fan???  I totally blame Catherine Tate.  This world has become utterly and completely crazy...) 

(ETA2: This Sunday, Adult Swim is airing both the Robot Chicken Star Wars special - which I have not yet seen - and the Family Guy Star Wars special - which I've seen at least a half-dozen times and never tire of watching!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!  O, my cup runneth over.  You wanna see someone geek out?  Maybe I'll try to record my face when the Fourth Doctor appears at the moment when the Millenium Falcon jumps into hyperspace.  Seriously.  Geek-out, every time.)

 (ETA3: OK, I realize I need to stop editing this post, but I didn't want to make multiple posts for silly little things.  Neil Gaiman has even commented in his blog about the BBC going after some poor fan who made Doctor Who knitting patterns.  Apparently, someone else was selling the end product on eBay...which, of course, means that logically the best course of action is to go after the fan who had no idea they were doing this.  Gaaaaaaaaah.)

15th-May-2008 03:45 am (UTC)
I keep telling myself to not give up on North American TV altogether, but seriously, they treat their fans like shit. I'm getting to the point that even if a show is good why bother because a) they will cancel it or b) it will become a piece of a shit anyway.

I don't give a damn about season two of Heroes but I can already tell that I will want to own season three when it comes out. I'll treat season two like I treat season two and three of LOST, like a really bad hallucination that lasted far too long.
15th-May-2008 03:59 am (UTC)
REALLY??? I am trying my best to ignore spoilers for S3, because if I don't like the spoilers, I know I will sour entirely on the show, Sylar or no Sylar. So to hear you say that makes me happy.

I'm really starting to think that this is coming down to, the executives at media conglomerates cannot adjust to the reality that things are changing. Moonlight had better ratings than the vast majority of basic cable, but it still got cancelled. There's a slim chance that it might get picked up by the CW, and I believe its ratings are higher than any other show on that network, even Supernatural. And it regularly won the lower demographic age groups, when CBS says they want to appeal more to younger viewers. But yet...CBS cancels it. I really do not know what to think about that. I mean, do they want to go out of business?

Your comment about "why bother getting into a show" is something that a LOT of Moonlight fans are saying in posts right now. I haven't completely given up on TV, but I'm forced to admit, I have days when I feel that way. I think the networks often just try to pander to the widest, blandest demographic because that looks like the wise course if all you do is look at spreadsheets, when the influence of cable TV and the internet ought to teach them that they need to try programs that appeal to a slice of the viewing public that is small but devoted. I mean, there are dozens of "reality" programs on right now...but there's only one Torchwood. Would you rather have a million viewers who will leave for another show whenever their attention span wanes...or 200,000 who adore the show, write fanfiction about it, post picspams about its stars, organize write-in campaigns about it...

Zachary Quinto got asked about the writer's strike at Starfest and he talked a bit about how media companies are often part of international conglomerates and often, the people making the decisions don't really know anything about the entertainment industry and, essentially, how audiences are built. I've been thinking about those comments a lot over the last couple of days.
15th-May-2008 04:01 am (UTC)
(It's a sobering moment when you realize that you honestly don't care whether you ever own S2 of Heroes on DVD...but you tell multiple people that TPTB had damn well better put out DVDs for the sadly-abbreviated single season of Moonlight. Dammit, the show was supposed to suck. Instead, it was one of the best things about this TV season. I blame Jason Dohring.)

Those parts I bolded? Yeah that's all me. Dohring was THE reason why I first watched Moonlight to begin with. I hope he finds work as quickly this time as he did when VM was canceled...

And as for Heroes...meh. I hate to say that, but unless Season 3 comes back in blaring the awesome that I clung to in Season 1...just...meh. That makes me sad because I don't wanna feel that way! Argh!
15th-May-2008 04:11 am (UTC)
I seriously, honestly figured Moonlight wouldn't last a month. And the first couple episodes sucked. But then it got better. And then it got GOOD. (I tell this story regularly as a kind of penance for having a 'tude about it at first.) Jason Dohring was definitely an attraction for me - frankly, at this point, I don't really care about Kristen Bell but I will devotedly watch whatever Jason does next - but Alex and Sophia had sweet chemistry, and the writers kept creating all these little bit characters I loved, as well as managing to actually surprise me with plot twists...

I am really, really hoping that Heroes S3 is better. After the S1 DVDs came out, I managed to hook 8 people who had never watched the show before into liking it. They wound up taking all kinds of views on it - their favorite characters ranged from Sylar to Peter to Mohinder to Isaac. Every single one of them hated the second season. A couple of them practically stopped speaking to me: "You made me think this was a good show, and now it bores the crap out of me!" I'm trying to be positive, but I have to admit, it's got maybe 4 episodes to emotionally engage me again before I will tell myself that I don't want my heart broken again. (I'm going to name-drop ZQ in another comment, but when someone asked him about the show at Starfest, he said that everyone involved with the show pretty much realizes that this is make-or-break time for them. And he used that exact phrase. And he went on to say that he had read the first script and he really liked it. So I am praying...)
15th-May-2008 04:23 am (UTC)
Oh man, same here. I wasn't impressed with the pilot episode but I stuck with it for Jason, and eventually kinda...stopped needing to tell myself WHY I was watching it and just grew to love it. I wonder if there's anything that can be done for the show in the same vein as what the Jericho fans did. (Heh, vein. unintentional!)

frankly, at this point, I don't really care about Kristen Bell but I will devotedly watch whatever Jason does next

Ummm...hi, are you me? Because I feel the exact same way! It's weird, cuz right now I'm working on another random picspam posts except this one is of my fictional heroines, and Season 1 Veronica is on there, but I'm giving like a paragraph explaining why it's ONLY Season 1 Veronica and it somehow drifted into a mini-rant about KB. Like...I loved her as Veronica...and now I kind of can't stand her as anyone else. I feel bad about this in a way...but then I remind myself that I still love Jason all the time so I get over it pretty quickly, hehe.

From what I've been hearing Season 3 seems like a good return for the show (and I kinda love the guy they've got for this one character already just cuz he seems hardcore. There's another girl though that I'm not looking forward too...) so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they've fixed up their mistakes and gone back to the awesome...
Here's hoping! Optimism is the key! Though, and I've been saying this to everyone, if Season 3 isn't any good I not only will be expecting the show to be canceled, but I probably won't even be all that torn up about it...
15th-May-2008 04:40 am (UTC)
Perhaps it is a Vulcan mind-meld! :P

The girl you are not looking forward to...is she the one who will be involved with Hiro's storyline? I did click on one mainstream news article about the show (and I know those are always stupid and ask annoying useless questions) but before I even read the story, I saw the girl's face and just disliked her on sight, even though I had gone into the story feeling nothing but curiosity. This is why I am trying to avoid spoilers - I mean, if I dislike the actress on sight in a still photograph, I'm never going to be able to give her a chance when I watch the show.

About Moonlight...supposedly, there is still a small chance that the CW might pick the show up even though CBS has cancelled it. At moonlight_tv they have posted a comment line for the CW (818-977-6878) to leave comments in support of the show. Though about 30 minutes after I called, someone said that the voice mailbox is now full.

NBC killed KB for me, actually. I was a complete fangirl when she was cast in Heroes, and squeed. But then it seemed like every time I turned around, she was front and center in publicity events evne though she hadn't yet been on the show, and the booming commercials about "KRISTEN BELL JOINS THE CAST OF HEROES" before her first appearance made it feel like NBC was shamelessly pandering to fangirls. And I understand that she already knew a number of people in the cast, but...for Pete's sake, Ali Larter was one of the people who helped get the show its Emmy nominations, it's kind of insulting that KB was put front-and-center in the Heroes seating for the Emmys while Ali was nowhere in sight. Plus...honestly? Kristen's mugging for the cameras got old. I wasn't very involved with online VM fandom, so maybe she was that way all along, but I got really tired of the way she always seemed to be striking cutesy poses in front of photographers.
15th-May-2008 02:08 pm (UTC)
I have no idea why they are sticking poor Masi with two annoying actresses. I hope the one from season two doesn't come back and this new one pans out. I mean, I love Dania but her acting makes me want to throw things at my TV so maybe this chick will work out.
I get the feeling that Kristin may have pissed off someone at NBC.
15th-May-2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
Nice! Mind melds FTW!

YES she is! I don't want to spoil you for anything since I dunno if you've been reading anything about her or whatnot next season, but I already don't like her from . I'll TRY TO give her a chance, obviously, but this show has way too many blonde characters as it IS, so unless they're gonna be benching a few people I have no idea why they're restocking characters again when that was a contributer to their weak second season.

Ahhh now see, for me I was a major fan UNTIL she was cast in Heroes. I have no idea what it was, but when I heard that she was going to be in it I was left feeling...less than thrilled. I think that it had to do with the fact that I immediately felt as if the character was written and shoved into the show specifically for her (which everyone denied...and then later confirmed. Thanks a bunch KB and Tim Kring...), and then, like you said, NBC propped the hell out of her, and then she was front and center with the cast on the Emmy red carpet when she hadn't even been ON the show yet and just...yeah. Now she bugs me, and that saddens me because I used to love her.
15th-May-2008 03:42 pm (UTC)
I think that it had to do with the fact that I immediately felt as if the character was written and shoved into the show specifically for her (which everyone denied...and then later confirmed. Thanks a bunch KB and Tim Kring...)
Tim Kring is terrible at dealing with the press and keeping a consistent story. It's actually pretty embarassing. There were about five different versions of why she was cast going around coming from Tim and different actors. He's had a lot of inconsistencies about other thngs, too, and it's led me to believe that a lot of stuff he says is patently untrue (ex., that Nathan and Claire were meant to be related all along, and that that plot point wasn't cooked up because of Peter/Claire stuff). Elle did feel shoved into the show. I think all she accomplished was to take some of the blame of Sylar getting his powers back off of Mohinder's shoulders. And for that I am grateful.

And yes! What's with yet another blonde? I'm not even saying they need to desperately strive for ethnic diversity. I just think they should get another brunette like Eden or Hana. Especially since I don't think Maya or Monica are long for the show, personally.
15th-May-2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
Tim Kring is terrible at dealing with the press and keeping a consistent story. It's actually pretty embarassing.
I cannot figure that out. Is it that hard to say "no comment" and keep your mouth shut until everyone's gotten their stories straight? Doesn't he realize that the more that sort of thing happens, the more fans feel like they can't trust him, and it makes them unhappy and more likely to pounce on flaws? I just wonder about him sometimes. I can understand network executives not understanding how fandom works, but I sometimes wonder if it is just a fluke that he was able to put together a season that resonated with viewers, when he often seems to not understand how their minds work.

Especially since I don't think Maya or Monica are long for the show, personally.
I'm wondering about this. I rarely go to Heroes Wiki but the last time I was there, I thought Maya was now listed as a main character. I don't know if that's due to spoilers or just Maya fans modifying the site due to wishful thinking. I did like Monica when they weren't doing the treacly hurricane stuff because she had the same feeling that the S1 characters did: she's just an ordinary person doing her best and freaking out that something is happening that she doesn't understand. I don't like Maya, but I also feel like to be realistic, in the coming months she ought to be a complete emotional wreck over her (unintentional) role in her twin brother's death, and wanting revenge on Sylar if only to mitigate her own feelings of guilt. And...I'm just not interested in watching that, from anyone. We've already got tons of characters with guilt feelings about relatives, and tons of characters with reasons to want vengeance on Sylar - the writers need to come up with something more original. Unfortunately I'm afraid they're just going to throw the baby out with the bath water with regards to ALL the new characters (remember how allegedly, they re-wrote both Sylar and Claire's storylines at the last minute because actresses they'd cast had to pull out? WTF?!?!).

Oh, and yeah - I don't sit around doing diversity counts with shows, but it does get a bit old when the female characters are blonde, blonde and blonder. It's like the daddy issues - you start to feel like the staff are indulging their own fetishes, or something.
15th-May-2008 05:11 am (UTC)
Ideally, the focus of the companies invovled in making TV shows/movies/etc would be on the end result TV show/movie/etc. Things like The Bottom Line get in the way of that, though, not only because the companies want to make money, but because they want to make enough money to be able to make another TV show/movie/etc. They seem a little too frightened of falling into the sunken cost fallacy, though, which is sad, because people and companies contributing to the art of a society should be more encouraged than discouraged. The Canadian government gives money to people making certain kinds of tv shows. Hell, they even started their own tv network.


Is it weird that I'm way more worried about the fact that my lj friends might stop watching Heroes than I am worried that season 3 might suck?
15th-May-2008 06:13 pm (UTC)
It really is a delicate balancing act, between companies and investors wanting to make returns on their money, and creating something that is as much art as entertainment. What frustrates me is the herd mentality that seems to arise: if one type of show gets a following, then executives all rush to produce more shows of that type because it feels safer. I feel like that's how some of the worse reality shows have gotten on the air: the execs didn't necessarily think they were going to have a hit, but it was a lot easier to greenlight crap that's in a popular genre than something that looks better quality but requires risk.

I read an article several years ago where a successful executive said he based a lot of decisions on something that a farming relative when he was young: "I look to see what all my neighbors are planting, and then I plant something different, because I'll get a higher price for my crop while they're flooding the market and depressing the price of theirs." And I feel like TV execs ought to think about that. Instead of saying, "We don't want to look at sitcom pilots because reality is king," they ought to look for a couple of quality sitcoms to attract audiences who are tired of reality or never liked it in the first place. Sigh.

I don't know if you've heard of the Canadian show Made In Canada (it was aired in the US as The Industry and they've released the first season on DVD). It follows the staff at a Canadian prodution company and I've read that the writers largely created it to vent their frustrations over this kind of bad decision making that often goes on behind-the-scenes. (The main character is in the same vein as Sylar, actually: he's ambitious and ruthless and will take down anyone who stands in his way - but yet the viewer winds up empathizing with and kind of liking him.) I recommend it if you can get ahold of it. The first season is just a half-dozen episodes so it's a quick watch.

Is it weird that I'm way more worried about the fact that my lj friends might stop watching Heroes than I am worried that season 3 might suck?
No, that's kind of how I feel. I want S3 to be good - I really, really do. But several people I know in both real life and online have said, "Halfway through the 11 episodes, I wasn't happy, but I was willing to sit through the 5 remaining eps to see if I could re-engage with the show. However if I feel the same about S3, I'm not going to sit though 26 episodes hoping it gets better." And I've realized, I kind of feel that way too (though I could have been influenced by their opinions). For the most part I've really enjoyed Heroes fandom and the people I've met, and I would hate to no longer have them around to discuss things with. But I realized this winter that I now only like two characters. It's so hard to connect with a show or stay interested in it when you're just plain blah on most of the characters.
15th-May-2008 06:07 am (UTC)
I am so sad Moonlight got cancelled :( Did you read the message Alex (Mick) posted on his MySpace <3
15th-May-2008 03:12 pm (UTC)
I KNOW. Alex seemed like such a nice guy anyway, and his bittersweet Myspace posting confirmed it for me.

I had tried to stay out of behind-the-scenes info about the show during the season because I didn't want to accidentally get spoiled, but I've been told by other fans that CBS had given the producers such a strong impression that the show was going to be renewed, that they'd told the actors not to look for other work because they were going to be busy with Moonlight. Which, you can't depend on being renewed till the network officially renews you...but it's still got to make the shock even worse for the actors.
15th-May-2008 11:17 am (UTC)
I wasn't sure how this season of Doctor Who would turn out, since the Christmas special with Donna was so terrible. (Spider-lady... *facepalm*) But I'm loving S4 Donna and her interaction with everyone. I didn't dislike Martha or Rose, but it's refreshing to see someone who's NOT in love with the Doctor. And doesn't hesitate to verbally bitch-slap the Doctor when he needs someone to stop him.

That whole situation with the BBC makes ME want to smack someone. God, BBC, what the HELL.
15th-May-2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
I have never been able to get into the new Doctor Who, despite loving David Tennant. But I caught the Pompeii episode, and whichever one was before that, and really liked it. Who would think Donna could be that much fun? Now that I think about it, maybe the "not in love" factor is key. To me, the glory days are the Fourth Doctor, and you can tell that he cared a great deal about Sarah Jane Smith and she cared about him, but the "in love" stayed as a subtext you could read if you wanted, and not see if you didn't want it. Maybe that was bothering me more than I realized with Martha and Rose.

What really peeves me about the BBC is that they actually told the pattern-maker that this kind of stuff cuts into their sales of official merchandise. WTF??? Do they seriously believe buying a stuffed homemade Ood means people won't want to buy a 12-inch David Tennant action figure??? IDK.
15th-May-2008 03:30 pm (UTC)
I think it's going to be impossible to avoid spoilers, unfortunately. Just as you said, all you were doing was looking at a general website and you found spoilers. NBC sucks at balancing buzz and giving away their storylines. I'm glad to hear that everyone knows that Heroes needs to step it up and fast. At this point, though, I think I'd be sadder to lose the fun fandom stuff than the show. However, the show needs to be good enough for people to continue being funny about it on the Hoyay thread and stuff. But right now, I'm only watching for Mohinder, Sylar, Adam, and Hiro (if they can use Adrian Pasdar approriately again, I'll be a lot happier, because he was barely in season 2). I just don't like any other characters, and that makes me sad.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who finds KB's mugging for the cameras (both on and off screen) totally annoying! All the media people think she's so cute and sweet and down-to-earth, but to me she comes off as just as much of a self-obsessed attention hog as anyone else. She doesn't do a very good job of deflecting attention back to the other actors, either, the way Masi, Adrian, and Sendhil do. Also? I am 99% sure that there is a poster on TWoP who is actually her publicist badly disguised as a "fan".
15th-May-2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
It really bugs me that the showrunners and/or the network are so bad with leaking things. Maybe the argument is that they're trying to pique people's interest, but if I already know how the story line goes, the show is nowhere near as exciting. It's a quandary for me because the only way to totally avoid spoilers is to withdraw from fandom...but I do not want to do that. (And of course there's the part of me that is tempted to read spoilers because if I like them, I'm going to get happier about the show...)

I do continue to worry, though, that the showrunners might be drinking their own Kool-Aid. Greg Beeman is the worst example of it - I had to quit reading his blog last October because I felt like he uses circular logic: "Heroes is a great show, therefore anything we do is great, because we're a great show!" That comment by Tim Kring about how the reason fans aren't happy is that they don't know how to watch the show, also fits in that category of believing your own hype. I really hope that when the writers started out for S3, they sat down and watched S1, because it's the feel of S1 that they need to re-capture, IMHO. I'm just worried that they're going to go the "EXPLOSIONS!!11!" and "SPECIAL EFFECTS!!11!11!!" route, when what they need to do is make me care about the characters.

I just don't like any other characters, and that makes me sad.
I KNOW. I realized this winter that Mohinder and Sylar are the only two characters I like now, and that S1 Sylar was so much more subtle and chilling than S2 Sylar, that I don't like him as much as I did. I blame the writers, not the actors - Hayden Panetierre can't help that they turned her character into a self-centered brat who doesn't think through the possible consequences of her actions. But it's sobering to realize that I either dislike or don't care about almost all the characters, at this point. And there's only so long that one can keep watching a show when one feels that way.

Also? I am 99% sure that there is a poster on TWoP who is actually her publicist badly disguised as a "fan".
Oh, dear Lord. I hope not, though I'd be willing to believe that there are a lot of publicists who have staff assigned to monitor and post on message boards to try to affect fan opinions. It's just sad that an actress I previously really liked, could tank with me so quickly. (And of course, then you think, "Well, she's coming across as a self-absorbed attention hog...and she's allegedly really good friends with Zachary Quinto as well as being friendly with other members of the cast. What does that say about them?")
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